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Post by kh58ford on Jan 9, 2011 21:59:54 GMT -5
Just wanting to know what is the earliest year ya'll know that they started using a 4 bar set up on the front axle. I know that Monogram used it in the mid 60's on the Little T. So would front 4 bars be trakable on 60's builds?
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Post by sdrodder on Jan 9, 2011 23:48:38 GMT -5
yes if the revell used it on the little t in the 60s i should not see the problem with it cause they were around then. So i say go for it
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Post by Truscale on Jan 10, 2011 2:05:01 GMT -5
I believe Tommy Ivo T had a 4 bar set up .
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Post by Truscale on Jan 10, 2011 2:24:43 GMT -5
Here's a cover shot from1957.  |
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Post by ChrisV on Jan 10, 2011 7:34:04 GMT -5
It all comes down to what you're planning to build:
If it's a Rod similar to the Ivo or Starbird (Monogram's) Ts there's no problem at all - As you can see from the magazine cover posted by Eric, 4-link suspensions were definitely used on Hotrods built before '69.
The main thing to remember is, that the overall appearance of the build has to be traditional as well - The fact that a part/technique was available/used prior to 1969 does not make every use of it TRaK'able.
It's incredibly hard to make firm (and fair) written guidelines for where and when the use of a part/technique can be considered traditional (and thus TRaK'able) or not, so to some extent you'll have to rely on your good judgement, and possibly compare your idea to similar projects posted here.
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Post by kh58ford on Jan 10, 2011 8:19:27 GMT -5
Thank ya'll for the input. Chris, I understand that a build has to have the overall traditional appearance to be TRaK'able, I guess I was asking more on the lines of the earliest use of them on real cars. I prefer the use of hairpins or split wishbones for my builds, but they are hard to come by in kits today. I have several sets of the 4 bars from the revell 32 kits and I didn't want use them on my early 60's period cars and have them stick out like a sore thumb. Thanks again for all the input, Kevin.
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Post by ddlova on Jan 10, 2011 8:28:31 GMT -5
the Revell '32 Ford 4-bar set-up can also be modified pretty easily into a more "hairpin" style too.  one thing that helps with the appearance if you do decide to use the 4-bar set-up is to make sure you paint the frame mount the same color as the frame. |
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Post by kh58ford on Jan 10, 2011 8:35:40 GMT -5
Dave, I had actually thought about doing that. The main thing that made me ask this question was, I had a basket case Little T that I finished restoring yesterday and had never realized it had 4 bars on it until I started putting it together, and it got me to wondering when they were actually first started to be used on hot rods. Thanks for the tip, Kevin.
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Post by ddlova on Jan 10, 2011 9:17:13 GMT -5
converting them is easy if you have a quick setting glue like Tenax 7R. cut the top bar off where it attaches to the frame bracket and then trim off the remaining part on the bracket. bend the bar down past the lower bar with gentle pressure at the batwing. if you bend it down past the lower bar it will have a little pressure when raised back up and that helps when it comes time to glue it. using a sharp X-acto blade cut the upper bar at an angle to match where it contacts the lower bar. if you want to save the plating you can do that by simply scraping the plating from the contact area and careful glueing. once glued it's fairly strong. touch up with a little silver paint or strip the plating and paint them instead. in regards to 4-bars and TRaKability. few things look worse to me than an "A" Ford with a modern 4-bar hanging way down on a fenderless rod. i know it's not something you typically see in scale ever but you see it on way too many 1:1 cars and i think it looks like shit.  |
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Post by Bernard Kron on Jan 10, 2011 10:42:51 GMT -5
My gosh, I've been staring at the Ivo T, one of the earliest prettiest T classic T-buckets ever built, for years and never noticed that! It's an unequivocally contemporary looking setup. Thanks for that, Eric. ;D (And, oh yeah, those four-bars have been accumulating in my parts box of late...  ) To my mind Dave Zinn's comment about the appearance of the setup, aesthetically, speaks to so much of what this is all about. I know this will help absolutely no one who's looking for a simple set of rules, but if it doesn't "read", i.e. evoke the spirit of (in this case) Traditional Rods and Kustoms, then it doesn't work. But as far as deleting a build from the board, it would have to do far more than be ugly or unfortunate looking, it would have to actually look like something from a later period, IMHO. |
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Post by gmckid on Jan 10, 2011 21:12:05 GMT -5
A couple years ago there was a model A coupe posted on the hamb originally built in 59 or 60. It had homeade 4 bar suspension in the front and rear. The car was built in a barn with no electricity.
Wish i could find pictures of it, it was a really neat car.
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Post by Truscale on Jan 11, 2011 1:40:59 GMT -5
My gosh, I've been staring at the Ivo T, one of the earliest prettiest T classic T-buckets ever built, for years and never noticed that! It's an unequivocally contemporary looking setup. Thanks for that, Eric. ;D (And, oh yeah, those four-bars have been accumulating in my parts box of late... ) To my mind Dave Zinn's comment about the appearance of the setup, aesthetically, speaks to so much of what this is all about. I know this will help absolutely no one who's looking for a simple set of rules, but if it doesn't "read", i.e. evoke the spirit of (in this case) Traditional Rods and Kustoms, then it doesn't work. But as far as deleting a build from the board, it would have to do far more than be ugly or unfortunate looking, it would have to actually look like something from a later period, IMHO. I knew what to show as soon as I saw this thread. I have picture's of Tommy's T from the NHRA museum, but I couldn't find them. Like Chris said, it's not the parts as much as the over all look of the build. I wouldn't build a period correct late 40's custom , then add a small block from a 55 Chevy. This hole things reminds me of a car club that I was in . The founders of the club wanted to be totally traditional cars. The funny thing is most of the 50's cars had Camaro front clips ( frame and suspension) ,and radial wide white walls on both customs and hot rods. I HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE radial wide white walls . I always laugh when I see a kool old style hot rod with buggy springs , straight dropped axles running on WWW radials. Then the owner tell you how the car rides sooooooo much better than bias ply tires. The hole thing to me about driving an old car is the feel of how it was in the old days, and a car with buggy springs and solid axles front and back ride like shit , and that s the fun of it.. Sorry for the rambling ,I feel better now.  |
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