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Post by lo51merc on Dec 29, 2019 13:24:49 GMT -5
Here's my attempt at a 30/31 Model A full fendered coupe. Not sure what parts I was gonna use when I got the idea, but here's my "what's if". Hosted on FotkiAs it turned out I am using the Revell 30 A Coupe and the Revell 31 A Sedan kits. The sedan fenders have been reworked to go under the arches of the coupe body, then the coupe body arches were reworked to fit the fenders. The fender arch bead has been replaced. The coupe floorboard bottom was sanded smooth, the box section at the rear of it was removed, then using the body as a locator the floorboard was glued to the fender unit. The license plate mounting holes in the body have been filled. I have Ed's new Model A Coupe body and top but had already started to work on the kit body so I'm using that part. I will be using Ed's top though. His kit also included a firewall but I have modified the sedan part and will most likely be using it. Hosted on FotkiHosted on FotkiHosted on FotkiHosted on FotkiThat was the easy part, now comes the hard part. Since I'm not much of a hot rod builder I'm definitely out of my league with the undercarriage here. I have an old AMT dragster quickchange with modified 31 sedan bells that I want to use. I have the Caddy and flatheads from the AMT 49 Ford kits as possible engine choices. To achieve a good, raked stance I have no idea now how to proceed. I have all the sedan suspension parts but the front wishbone connected to the stock engine. How will I know if the front will be low enough. Judging by the pictures on the sedan box, the rear is too high. I have no clue how I can lower it. Can I use the parts in this kit and modify them somehow? Now's the time I'm asking you hot rod builders for your thoughts and suggestions. Thanks, Gary
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Post by constructionbob on Dec 29, 2019 13:59:17 GMT -5
Good start, Gary! I'd check Google or some other browser for " traditional hot rod chassis" Pictures came i all languages! As there is many ways to make it happend, I think U should choose some thats seems to be your goal, good luck.
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Post by Dennis on Dec 29, 2019 14:04:28 GMT -5
Looking really good so far, Gary!
IMO, the best front axle and suspension to use in this case is from the Revell 32 5-Window which includes more traditional hairpin radius rods (unlike all the other kits in their 32 series which only have more modern 4-bar links). The disk brakes can be replaced with drum plates and then you have a nice pretty traditional front end that will also get you low (and lower still if you start thinning down the spring.) That axle is also narrow and will keep the wheels under the fender crowns.
For the rear the best thing to do would be to move the spring from its original position above the axle to behind. Since you haven’t built a rear floor yet you could also step the frame if you need more low.
I feel like with the work your putting into this model it really deserves a better detailed flathead than any of the crappy AMT ones. If a flathead is what you want let me know and I’ll be happy to hook you up with one of Revell’s nicely detailed and accurate looking versions. If you want a Caddy I’ll send you one of Revell’s super nice parts pack versions.
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Post by froghawk on Dec 29, 2019 14:55:24 GMT -5
Excellent start, Gary!
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Post by spex84 on Dec 29, 2019 18:02:33 GMT -5
Cool idea. As for suspension...find a Dennis build thread and copy his setup, haha.
The arched rear spring from the '30 Sedan can be mounted to scratchbuilt hangars on the Double Dragster axles, allowing the spring to sit behind the axle. The Sedan kit comes with a dropped front axle option I think. Stock, the Sedan sits really high, so an axle like the Revell '32 tube axle might get the nose down a bit better. In the past I've cheated by shaving down the spring into something approximating a "monoleaf" unit. Nobody will see it anyway, as it will nestle into the front crossmember.
I'm going to dig out my old '30 full-fender build and see what I did.
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Post by stingray on Dec 30, 2019 9:50:09 GMT -5
I like what you are doing here. Awesome start. Can't wait to see more of this.
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Post by Mr. Metallic on Jan 6, 2020 8:14:52 GMT -5
You can use the dropped front suspension from the 31 Sedan kit you have right in front of you. It's a moderately dropped I-beam, as opposed to the Revell 32's tube axle unit. It can be a little fiddly to assemble, but with patience looks great, and it already has the vintage juice brake backing plates. As far as the wishbone...split it. That's exactly what they use to do in the 1:1 world. Cut it at the apex and then glue small pieces of tube to the end and locate it to the frame. A little Google research should fill in the blanks, or just ask for more advice. or you can replace the wishbone with kit supplied suspension arms. I think there may even be some in that Double Dragster.
The rear can be done as others suggested by moving the spring behind the axle. If you're using the 31 sedan frame you'll have to move the rear crossmember back to maintain the overall wheelbase.
Don't get scared off by the suspension work on these scale hot rods. It's not as involved as it may sound. You're off to a good start with your choices of fenders and body, so please stick with it.
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Post by miwi on Jan 15, 2020 5:56:23 GMT -5
Please keep us updated on this project
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Post by lo51merc on Jan 16, 2020 11:35:26 GMT -5
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Post by BigPappaJ on Jan 16, 2020 12:52:43 GMT -5
Gary,
I'm liking the way this is looking.
You could use a SCOT blower on the flathead. Replicas and Miniatures has a SCOT set for it, and it includes manifold, blower, pulleys, and brackets.
Jim
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Post by lo51merc on Jan 16, 2020 14:22:46 GMT -5
Jim, thanks for that information. I have a sorta old catalog of Norms. I'll have to check it out.
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Post by BigPappaJ on Jan 16, 2020 14:51:05 GMT -5
Here's a link to Craig Stansfield's Fotki album with a picture of it. SCOT Blower
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Post by lo51merc on Jan 19, 2023 16:06:50 GMT -5
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Post by RodBurNeR on Jan 19, 2023 21:25:27 GMT -5
heck yeah, good to see ya back on this gonna be classy!
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Post by Mr. Metallic on Jan 20, 2023 7:43:39 GMT -5
Good to see this one back again. Did you ever figure out how to get a blower on that flattie? Since you started this there have been quite a few new options made available thanks to 3D printing. Plus, Norms beautiful SCoT blower is still available.
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