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Post by SteveMilberry on Mar 13, 2011 13:47:43 GMT -5
I'm wondering if the '60's and earlier Indy cars are OK seeing as the midgets are.
Seems to me they would be about the same idea as the midgets , just bigger and faster. Both are completely fabricated purpose-built open wheel race cars built with the same design principles , sometimes even running the same engines.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2011 16:16:17 GMT -5
Good question Steve. I'm interested to see the decision on this one. I totally dig the "big cars"
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Post by Koolkat on Mar 13, 2011 19:06:35 GMT -5
I guess it depends upon Bob's say so, however I'm game! As long as they are front engine. I quit watching Indy once they went to rear engines. I might make an exception for the Ford Lotus.  I love the old Indy cars! ;D They are popular on the HAMB, which makes me also believe they are TRAKable. |
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Post by mmdm4 on Apr 8, 2011 9:41:46 GMT -5
Just wondering what the HAMB is? If it's another auto related site I'd like to check it out.
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Post by RodBurNeR on Apr 8, 2011 11:39:12 GMT -5
Just wondering what the HAMB is? If it's another auto related site I'd like to check it out. HAMB Hokey Ass Message Board. It's a site for 1:1 rod and kustom guys...pretty much like this board and many of us are members there too. Good question..I don't have a problem with them if they are the earlier types like Don said. This is definately not a subject I am educated in, so I rather not see anything so close to 69 that would cause problems. Early front engine types or documented proof aka "photos" of the build would be appreciated. I just don't know enough about them to say much. Lindberg has a couple early ones out and I posted up almost two years ago that I wouldn't mind seeing them built here. |
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Post by RodBurNeR on Apr 8, 2011 11:44:47 GMT -5
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Post by Bernard Kron on Apr 8, 2011 12:25:54 GMT -5
As an historical matter, Indy (or Championship trail) cars and hot rods overlap very clearly during the early postwar period. The track roadsters of the late 40's and early 50's are very much bargain basement versions of the champ car circle track racers, as were the midgets as well. The divergence begins with the Kurtis Kraft style "Indy Roadsters" of the early 50's. IMHO, by the time you reach the Watson style "roadsters" there's increasingly little relationship between hot rodding and these very pure race cars. Once the rear engine cars start appearing it's all over. Don Lee Spcl. - 1949  The Fuel Injection Spcl. (Kurtis Kraft car that started the change) - 1952  John Zink Spcl. (Early Watson Car) - 1956  Belond Exhaust Spcl. (Revolutionary lay-down motor design) - 1957 winner  Jack Brabham's Cooper Spcl. (the beginning of the end of front engined roadsters) - 1961  |
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Post by robtrat on Apr 8, 2011 14:18:07 GMT -5
So does this mean that the Monogram late fifties Offie powered cars (similar to the one in the 2nd photo above) are OK?- but the AMT early sixties style Offie powered cars similar to the 3rd photo above) would not be? The dates I'm talking about are when the models came out, the cars raced several years before that, I believe. Thanx for the info, Bernard, and others who know more about these beautiful machines, than I do I've always liked them because they raced on the radio when I was a kid, and my dad liked to listen to them.
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Post by Koolkat on Apr 8, 2011 15:43:18 GMT -5
I love the all of the front engine Indy cars - but I'd really vote against rear engine ones. I think the front engine ones shown are traditional racers - just on a track, not on salt flats or a drag strip. Even the vintage 1:1 mags followed them then.
When the rear engines came out --- That's when I quit watching Indy. About the same time when I quit watching NASCAR...@1964.
I agree with Bernard.
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Post by robtrat on Apr 8, 2011 16:09:26 GMT -5
I didn't know ya could watch it in '64, but then we didn't have a TV 'til '66. guess that's why I love radio, ya don't have to watch it. I too am only interested in front engine cars here. See ya Sunday, Koolkat.
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Post by Bernard Kron on Apr 8, 2011 17:01:10 GMT -5
Actually, despite my little history lesson above, I'm kind of a purist about this whole issue. I would draw the line at track roadsters, maybe early midgets in a pinch (they shared the tracks with track roadsters in the late 40's and often were owned and run by the same people), but even pre-Kurtis Kraft championship trail cars seem to me a little too "race car" like and aren't part of the Traditional Rods and Kustoms vibe. I don't think figures like Sam Hanks, AJ Watson, or Eddie Kuzma, are part of the hot rodding and customizing tradition, nor are the cars they drove, ran or built. Frank Curtis for that matter, may have figured in the rod and custom tradition, via Ted Halibrand, Kurtis midgets, the pre-war Modern Plating Service car, and may even the Muntz Jet and his various sports car specials, but we shouldn't be indiscriminate in our selection just because one tradition crosses over into another. As an example of what I mean, the car below is from the mid-fifties, it's a custom built car, has fins, skirts and a bubble top, was an icon on the car show circuit at the time, and is definitely cooler than shit and one of my all-time faves. I dream of the day I have the skills to model it. But I would never, ever consider it for TRaK. It's an Alfa Romeo Superflow by Pinin Farina and it's a sports car, bubble top and all...  I'll get off my soapbox now...  |
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Post by ChrisV on Apr 8, 2011 17:49:10 GMT -5
 Wow Bernard - That Alfa looks like the mutant offspring of an AMT Piranha and a '57 T-Bird...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2011 13:15:14 GMT -5
Wow Bernard - That Alfa looks like the mutant offspring of an AMT Piranha and a '57 T-Bird...  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2011 13:15:30 GMT -5
Thanks for that Indy history lesson Bernard....interesting stuff.  |
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Post by zenrat on Apr 26, 2011 18:13:03 GMT -5
That Alfa's cool. Love the bubble fenders.
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