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Post by roddratt on Oct 31, 2011 18:03:07 GMT -5
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Post by harron68 on Oct 31, 2011 18:21:06 GMT -5
WITH SO MANY "COMMON" LARGE OLD CARS, IT'S A SHAME TO SLICE AND DICE SO RARE A VEHICLE AS THE PIERCE. NOW MODELS, WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE WANT! GO FOR IT!
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Post by RodBurNeR on Oct 31, 2011 18:40:38 GMT -5
looks all good, but my personal preferences drive me towards a higher stance. it's TRaKable though.
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Post by draggon on Oct 31, 2011 18:48:03 GMT -5
I think if it was raised a few inches and had more traditional wheels and tires it would be great! My dad told me tales of his 1920 something Pierce Arrow. He said it was in a fire, and he chopped it and put in a Model B 4cyl with dual carbs and open pipes! I wish he had saved a pic for me, but theres nothing in his albums until a '38 Chevy.
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Post by roddratt on Oct 31, 2011 18:55:28 GMT -5
Kool, there's a Cadilac Brougham on eBay that might make a good candidate for something along these lines......  |
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Post by Murphy on Oct 31, 2011 20:06:39 GMT -5
I think if it was raised a few inches and had more traditional wheels and tires it would be great! My dad told me tales of his 1920 something Pierce Arrow. He said it was in a fire, and he chopped it and put in a Model B 4cyl with dual carbs and open pipes! I wish he had saved a pic for me, but theres nothing in his albums until a '38 Chevy. ...what a coincidence, the one in Rod and Custom was burned after it was started, and rebuilt as it appears in the photo at the top of the page! |
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Post by draggon on Nov 1, 2011 15:11:52 GMT -5
...what a coincidence, the one in Rod and Custom was burned after it was started, and rebuilt as it appears in the photo at the top of the page! Well aint that sumthin! I guess they must have a lot of wood in them! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2011 19:08:29 GMT -5
Sittin' a little low for me, has a cartoonish quality, you know, with those big diameter wheels. I don't recall seeing anything like that in the day or in pictures from before my time but that's just my opinion.  |
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Post by Duane on Nov 2, 2011 9:57:23 GMT -5
Jon...honestly...the car doesn't look right...i'm not
"feelin" it !!!!!i'm not bustin your balls cause you
didn't build ot.it needs to sit higher and have fenders !!!!!
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Post by ChrisV on Nov 2, 2011 11:14:29 GMT -5
Sittin' a little low for me, has a cartoonish quality, you know, with those big diameter wheels. I don't recall seeing anything like that in the day or in pictures from before my time but that's just my opinion. I feel the same way... Not a big fan of the "swooping" frame either. |
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Post by Dennis on Nov 2, 2011 12:07:51 GMT -5
Jon, you just might be my favorite model hot rod builder ever and I would love to see you work you magic on a project like this. If anyone can handle it, you can!
That being said, there seems to be some inconsistency in what we all think is appropriate for this site. It was just a couple months ago when one of our other members was called out on his "too large diameter" wheels on a '32 Sedan project, both solid steel wheels and Halibrand's. So, um, how is this any different? Because they're wire wheels with whitewalls? Despite that they definately have a "cartoon" feel due to they're size. IMO, huge is huge is huge. So why does this get a green light and the other didn't?
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Post by RodBurNeR on Nov 2, 2011 13:26:13 GMT -5
Dennis brings a good point about the wheels. I wasn't looking at them when I first looked at this car.. They are huge on the real one, but if you used smaller ones in scale I have no problem with the car.
Trying to find a happy medium for this forum sometimes is not easy. The style of the real car up there is 100% modern day....but , it could have been done sitting that low..it was done that low....but the frame probably wasn't done that way and the wheels probably wouldn't be seen that large either.
My problem with cars like this is, the axle is going through the wheel surround where the fender was. just doesn't look good in my eyes. Like I said though.....it's fine with me, maybe downsize the wheels a notch.
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Post by Dennis on Nov 2, 2011 18:21:05 GMT -5
Dennis brings a good point about the wheels. I wasn't looking at them when I first looked at this car.. They are huge on the real one, but if you used smaller ones in scale I have no problem with the car. Seeing your reply, Bob, got me to thinking that when I wrote my response earlier the one thing I didn't take into consideration was that Jon only shared a photo of "inspiration", not of a model he had already started building. With that in mind, his "interpretation" very well may have a more reasonable wheel size on it making it a mute point. I think if it had scale 18" wires out back and 16" or 17" on the front it would be way better. It's just that when I saw the picture I right away thought (without reading the replies) that the huge wheels would get called out and I was surprised they didn't. So, it made me think back to the other thread and say, WTF? I totally agree with Dewayne on the front frame rails, though. That shape isn't very pleasing to my eye either. The body sides would probably look better with the wheel well lines removed too. |
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Post by roddratt on Nov 2, 2011 19:02:56 GMT -5
Thanks for your kind words, Dennis. I did buy the 1931 (?) Cadillac from EvilBay the other day and it's on the way here. I was thinking of using Norm's new wire wheel and white wall tire combo as on Lyle's Rod MoM this month, I have a set.
I think the rails and curved split bones are a bit much as well. After touring the LeMay Car Museum this past weekend and seeing this car it got me to thinking how an old coach style car could/SHOULD be cut up. I'll TRaKify it....have no fear.
What I really like about this body (and the Caddy) is the really long cowl. I also dig the way the cowl rounds down into the firewall. I just got a Caddy mill (in the '59 El Camino kit KK sent me, thanks, dude) which I think will be fitting. I'm planning to finish up the Vicky cabriolet first...stay tuned.
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Post by davkin on Nov 2, 2011 19:48:19 GMT -5
I was one that called fowl about the big wheels in the other thread but I don't think it's being contradictory to accept these. For one, they're not really all that big, 20" on the rear, (the extreme lowering exaggerates the size of the wheels), which was quite common for large cars from the 30's and earlier and hot rodders appropriated anything that worked, so especially pre-war large wire wheels were used on lakes cars in order to effectively increase the gearing for a higher top speed. I think it is quite uncommon however for them to chop up the body of a high end car of the era. For one thing, those bodies are quite large therefore not suitable for land speed competition as they were very heavy and had greater exposure to the wind. Also, why would a rodder use such a body when early Ford bodies were plentiful and cheap? Even once rodding became more street than race I don't beleive such bodies were used, at least very rarely if at all, the only reason to do so would be to be different, but at the cost of slowing your hot rod down? Seems unlikely. Back to the big wheels, well, you just didn't see 20" mags back then did you? The only large alloy wheels of the era I'm aware of were competition only. So, in my mind anyway there is a difference, big isn't just big.
Now, all that said and to avoid being called a hater, (this is just friendly debate!) I think some latitude should be allowed with scale modeling. If we take this stuff too seriously it stops being fun. So, ya, I have no problem with some "what if" or unlikely builds just as long as they stay within the style of the period, which in the case I think the mentioned car does not. It just looks rather cartoony to me, and of course all eras of customized vehicles have their cartoony creations but that's not what we're about here is it? So again, just my opinion. 20" wire wheels and a coach built body are okay to me as long as it's done tastefully. I have some high end 20's and 30's car models myself and have often thought about the same thing. I think it would be hard to get the proportions to say "Hot Rod" without pretty much losing the identity of the car altogether, which IMO has happened with the example shown here.
David
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