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Post by gseeds on Feb 16, 2012 21:53:30 GMT -5
thanks guys for your votes to keep it trakable, I grew up in long beach california in the 60's and 70's, and in 1969 i would have been 10 yrs old and by no means a car expert at 10, in the 60's and 70's where i live there was lots of these cars driving around , in fact my older brother at that time drove a lowered '57 2 door hard top belair with small tires with white walls on cragars and my mom even drove a lowered '63 impala around this time, with small white wall tires on chrome revese rims,the tires i use are Pegasus 1016's, they are the closest to what i need, to fit the size that i remember as a kid growing up looking at these cars. i couldnt tell you just what size those tires were, but i know they were small, after posting this model here and seeing the tire size mite be a problem i found a picture takin in nov of 1969, i copyed the link, you need to copy and paste. www.flickr.com/photos/80643375@N00/5489906791/ |
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Post by RodBurNeR on Feb 16, 2012 22:43:46 GMT -5
I got a couple replies on HAMB, some pointers of where to look. Gary the link you have is probably some of the best 1969 Lowrider reference we could have at the moment. The paint job is proof right there lol I say those tires are a bit higher than your model and I know exactly because I have a couple sets of 1016's here. check out the interior....it's been done here many times already from the Catalina kit and them frenched antenna are a kustom touch as well. flic.kr/p/9n8d2Kand a sidewall shot flic.kr/p/9nbkJCIt's not a lot to make a huge difference really. One of the replies I got on HAMB was a guy remembered N50 15's as a low tire back then and says it's still made today. I know they still make 50 series tires ,but maybe he means that specific tire. |
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Post by RodBurNeR on Feb 16, 2012 22:46:00 GMT -5
another guy replied and said the N50 tire was more of a wide street machine tire and not a whitewall....so I guess that's off the list of reference lol
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Post by gseeds on Feb 16, 2012 23:55:35 GMT -5
yea the n50 tire, i had them on my '57 chevy back in 1978, there a low profile fat tire, not ment for low riders, but more street machine, my '57 was jacked up in the rear to clear those tires,but that was the look we wanted back then. so is the 66 trakable or is the verdict still out ??
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Post by RodBurNeR on Feb 17, 2012 0:00:17 GMT -5
I am going to do a bit of hardcore research and will get back to ya. I hope to find something good.
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Post by gseeds on Feb 17, 2012 0:02:03 GMT -5
cool, thanks.
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Post by ChrisV on Feb 17, 2012 11:17:04 GMT -5
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Post by RodBurNeR on Feb 17, 2012 14:01:25 GMT -5
I have a photo of a 67? camaro from facebook sitting on some pretty low tires....it looks like it might be a late 60's photo, but I am trying to get confirmation of the year the pic was taken. This might take a day or two. I agree with how they appear and don't argue what's been said..but if there is a possibility that there were low tires in the late 60's....I want to be sure. Learning is good for ya.  |
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Post by customcory on Feb 17, 2012 14:30:30 GMT -5
All the early lowriders ran Premium Sportway tires. They are bias-ply. Sizes would go 5.20-14, 5.20-13. Early in the sixties maybe some of them ran 5.20 5.60 - 15's. The Bellflower look cars like Watson use to paint would run astro's and Buick wires, but would run tall tires or stock sizes. Lowriders ran the small tires wrapped over the rim to give the lowrider look. Some had a small pinstripe, some a little bigger. You would have to run old little 14's and 13's from AMT I guess to get the closest to sportway. I thought one of those lowrider parts places had some premium sportways in 1/25th. I sure they were around in 66 -68 for sure.
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Post by RodBurNeR on Feb 17, 2012 14:31:59 GMT -5
Okay... I have an answer. These two replies I got answered my question pretty well. "I put a set of F70-15 wide ovals on a '66 Vette for a customer when i worked at Humphrey Chevrolet in 1967... everyone said they would never fit. But they did. 65 series radials weren't even a dream before 1970... new cars didn't come stock with radials until the mid-70's... and they were not 65 series. " and "THOSE TIRES LOOK "LOW PROFILE" ON OLD LOWRIDERS BECAUSE THEY WERE SMALL TIRES.... (5.20X14'S) OR SOMETIMES (5.60X14'S)..... THEY WERENT LOW PROFILE, THEY WERE TALL AND SKINNY,BUT WHEN YOU STRETCH THEM OUT ON A 14x7 RIM THEY THEN 'LOOK' LIKE A LOW PROFILE! SAME THING WHEN USING A MODERN RADIAL , YOU TAKE A 185/75/14 OR A 195/70(OR 75)15 AND STETCH IT OUT OVER A 14X7 RIM AND IT SUCKS IT DOWN,GIVING THAT LOOK OF A LOW PROFILE " With that said...it's probably true that lower profile tires weren't around yet... Now we have to consider the facts and look at what we do in "scale" to replicate the real thing. We don't have 14" Astro Mags do we? So in order to acheive the look of having 14" rims, the sidewall has to be a little lower for a model car to make up the difference....or the wheel will look too big all around. It doesn't take much to look at Gary's new Vette thread on the bench and see how tall sidewalls look on Supremes and then look at his Caprice here with Cragars.... It's an optical illusion that we have to deal with since there are no accurate sized rims or tires to build "correct" as if we are actually rivet counters...which we're not. If radials were not done yet in these sizes, then it's an incorrect detail in our model parts lol Soak that info up and the way I see it....it's a technicality that we can't do anything about until someone or some company can start making realistic sizes and proportions in specific tires and rims that go to make these models of late 60's lowriders or late 60's kustoms. If that is the only thing that stands between Gary's model being posted....I think we can overlook it...it's otherwise a visually TRaKable model in the late 60's.  |
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Post by RodBurNeR on Feb 17, 2012 14:33:15 GMT -5
All the early lowriders ran Premium Sportway tires. They are bias-ply. Sizes would go 5.20-14, 5.20-13. Early in the sixties maybe some of them ran 5.20 5.60 - 15's. The Bellflower look cars like Watson use to paint would run astro's and Buick wires, but would run tall tires or stock sizes. Lowriders ran the small tires wrapped over the rim to give the lowrider look. Some had a small pinstripe, some a little bigger. You would have to run old little 14's and 13's from AMT I guess to get the closest to sportway. I thought one of those lowrider parts places had some premium sportways in 1/25th. I sure they were around in 66 -68 for sure. thanks Cory, I think we are on the same page.  |
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Post by gseeds on Feb 18, 2012 15:47:32 GMT -5
cool, thanks bob and all the others for doing all the leg work.
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Post by dave22 on Feb 18, 2012 16:29:20 GMT -5
I HAD 66 AS MY FIRST CAR (BELAIR 4DR,GRANDPAS) FRIEND HAD A NICE 2DR CAPRICE,NICE BODY WORK. THANKS FOR THE MEMORIES
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Post by Truscale on Feb 19, 2012 0:55:34 GMT -5
Gary's cars as well as the 69 Grand Prix I've done would be considered a custom or street cruiser. I believe that the lowrider scene didn't start until the early to mid 70's. It was at the time that customs had all but died out . The lowrider look started around the time that the U.S. had started getting into the import cars from Japan and Germany , Volkswagen Rabbits , Toyota Carola's, and Datsun 510. With these cars came the small 13" and 14" tires that people started to stretch onto a 7" wide wheel. Before that in the 60's people where using the small tires that came on Nova's and Falcon's to stretch on to supreme and cragar wheels.
That's the way I see it.
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Post by RodBurNeR on Feb 19, 2012 1:14:15 GMT -5
aight' cool |
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