Too ratty?

[dodgefever]

Jan 12, 2016 16:01:38 GMT -5 Jantrix said:

Okay fine. So any thing that is unique is "non-traditional". I get it. So this is isn't welcome here?

Would the Mysterion be Trakable? No, because it's a show rod and those aren't what the forum is about. Some get a pass, and that's covered in Bob's guidelines.

How can we say that patina and rust aren't part of the traditional look?

Because they're not.

People didn't drive beaters in the 50's and 60's? I'll have to let my dad know that his '40 Dodge that he drove in the 60's wouldn't be considered traditional today because it had rust and faded paint.

What I'm saying is that back then people did unique things to cars. The put unusual graphics, did crazy body mods, drove cars in any condition. So everything about my model IS traditional. Not a single part is newer than '69. No technology newer than '69 is present. All the boxes are checked.

I'm not trying to create a ruckus here, I'm trying to make you see that your idea of traditional custom/hot rod is too narrow. You're saying that if Barris or Starbird and their contemporaries didn't build it that way it isn't a traditional custom/hot rod. That's a load of crap. Nuff said.

Did people drive beaters or works in progress? Of course. A beater '32 roadster was posted here recently, but the difference is, it looked period. If you lost the decals and big port holes, then spot-primered the areas that had seen bodywork (hood and trunk trim, rolled pans), I think it would at least look like a convincing work in progress. Other than those big grommets and the decals, the mods look good. The point is, nobody would choose to have a rusty car as a finished thing - they'd want to paint it. Nor would you do body mods like nosing & decking or rolled pans and then let it all rust. The whole patina thing is a recent phenomenon.

[Johnny]

I have also had an rejected build a while back, nothing to be upset about. Almost a bit similar to your nice Ford.

[cturner]

May I chip in here? I love 49-51 Fords. I love THIS one...(slight cough to the side)...except for the large hood "portholes) If those were small and on the sides...omgggg! Talk about COOL!
Just my 2 cents worth...not that they are worth 2 cents I am sure.
Nicely done patina and styling my friend! Looks very real, and timely (in my opinion)..as if it could have been driven around before getting painted. How's THAT for politically correct? EH? EH?

[Deleted]

Come on Craig. No one would ever drive a partially finished car around, before it was painted and especially a 50 Ford in the 60s. They would never rust by then or even have patina paint, because they just recently invented that.

[dodgefever]

Jan 12, 2016 16:51:21 GMT -5 @dogfish7 said:

Come on Craig. No one would ever drive a partially finished car around, before it was painted and especially a 50 Ford in the 60s. They would never rust by then or even have patina paint, because they just recently invented that.

I'll say it again: nobody is denying that cars were driven before they were finished, or that not everybody could afford fancy paint jobs. I have many photos of cars back in the day with primered areas where bodywork was done, or in all-over primer before they got painted.

The point is, nobody in their right mind would spend time and money on body mods and then let it go rusty, or would want that as the finished appearance. That is rat territory and it's most definitely a recent thing.

My take is that a beater representing an unfinished car should be Trakable, as long as it looks period. So, any custom bodywork - shaved handles, emblems, frenching, chop, whatever - should either be in primer, or painted. Clear enough?

Example, to illustrate:

[Deleted]

Clear enough Stu. No bodies are allowed if they have rust on them before the primer has been applied.

[krassandbernie]

What I'm saying is that back then people did unique things to cars. The put unusual graphics, did crazy body mods, drove cars in any condition. So everything about my model IS traditional. Not a single part is newer than '69. No technology newer than '69 is present. All the boxes are checked.

Yet somehow your build came out looking like it should be in the reader's rides section of Street Rodder. The overall vibe of the model simply does not convey a true traditional feel. Personally, I think the craft store grommets kill the build; but that is just my opinion. Had you actually used the old Buick port holes from one of the vintage kits no one would have said a single word in regards to the hood modifications.

You obviously had to think in the back of your mind that it wasn't 100% traditional (or on the fence somehow) since you 'polled' us all on whether it was acceptable on this forum......did you not? We're not trying to give you a hard time; but you appear to be a bit upset and pigheaded about this since we did not tell you what you wanted to hear! LOL!

btw, just because something could have been done back in the day doesn't make it traditional. In this case, traditional is defined by a repeated trend and style within a certain era. That being said, if you came across an old photo of something 'far out' that was built back in the day; and you built a replica of it; I don't see anyone here giving you a hard time. I know that sounds like we're splitting hairs; but that is just the way we (as a group) prefer this forum to stay.

[krassandbernie]

One other thing to clarify here is that the patina doesn't bother me enough to ban it solely on that....it's the FINISHED look of the car WITH the patina and perfect chrome trim (something that was typically not put back on the car until it had finally been painted) that screams modern day build. Heck, most of these cars still had original paint left on them by the time they became hot rod fodder in the late '50's through the '60's....unless they were a flood car! LOL! If you had removed the trim (or some of it), drilled holes where the trim use to be, and not put the decals on the body (another modern trend in my book), and of course, used Buick port holes, we wouldn't even be talking about this right now.

[confederate]

Traditional or not, mission accomplished...car has been posted and discussed.

[cturner]

C'mon Craig?
I'm done...well said Stu

[krassandbernie]

Jan 12, 2016 20:03:04 GMT -5 cturner said:

C'mon Craig?
I'm done...well said Stu

He was being sarcastic Craig! LOL!

[Jantrix]

Gotcha. Nothing unique allowed here. Message received.

[Deleted]

Jan 12, 2016 21:36:17 GMT -5 Jantrix said:

Gotcha. Nothing unique allowed here. Message received.

Nobody said that. We all said that something that doesn't fit in the rules & parameters set down & followed here isn't trakable. Many people here explained it patiently. In the era this forum is about, nobody would do all of that custom work to a car, reinstall the chrome trim, & then let it rust like that. This faux patina & rust fad is a modern bastardization of what was actually traditional, instead of what was really done back then. The closest you would get to seeing something like that is someone leaving their car in a colored primer, (there's a great looking mildly customized Old in purple primer in Andy Southard's wonderful book of photos of 50s customs as a perfect example there), but not like this.

Your model is fine for those into that look. However, it's not & never will be trakable. Bob Black banned the rat rod look from here long ago, & he runs the forum, Case closed & that's actually 'nuff said.

[53suburban]

OK so maybe I was "spoiled" by living in Southern California away from the coast but I don't remember seeing any "patina" back then. Sure, there were lots of beaters running around but they always seemed to be primered or have primer spots on them. I can't think of anybody who loved rust and dents in those days.

[robtrat]

What was this thread titled?...oh yeah, right.