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Post by stitchdup on Oct 22, 2016 14:13:43 GMT -5
Hi folks,
I've got a volksrod I'm planning to pull back outta the box and was wondering what the rules on these are? This one will be satin black and none of the parts on it are going to be from any vehicle newer than 66. For example the engine is from a ww2 kubelwagen and the seats from a 55 renault.
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Post by ChrisV on Oct 22, 2016 14:22:13 GMT -5
Unfortunately Volksrods is a contemporary concept - even if built using vintage parts
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Post by stitchdup on Oct 22, 2016 14:32:58 GMT -5
Ok thanks
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 14:33:56 GMT -5
They date back to the early 40s. What's contemporary about that? What about Dragsters?
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Post by dodgefever on Oct 22, 2016 15:09:02 GMT -5
The concept of a Volksrod is contemporary, therefore not TRaKable. Doesn't matter how old the base car is. Coincidentally, I saw this on Instagram earlier. It has '53 Buick headlights, but I wouldn't call it TRaKable.  |
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Post by stitchdup on Oct 22, 2016 15:22:22 GMT -5
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Post by spex84 on Oct 22, 2016 15:59:35 GMT -5
TRAK is pretty much for hot rods, race cars, and customs pre-1967. So that doesn't include work trucks, dune buggies, boats, mud boggers, tractor pullers, etc.
While there were VW dune buggies in the 60s, and they could probably pass as "customs" here on the forum, the concept of a "Volksrod", retaining the VW body with "traditonal style" hot rod parts added, is a modern idea and thus not trakable.
A few VW-based concepts are probably OK here though:
-some drag cars with VW bodies existed in the 60s
-Andy Brizio's VW-powered Ford T-bucket might pass, although it's pushing the time bracket that TRAK focuses on
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2016 4:44:13 GMT -5
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Post by stitchdup on Oct 23, 2016 5:26:24 GMT -5
So dkp style cars would be ok? www.dkpcarclub.com/dkphistory.html They have been around since 64 and could be described as mild custom street drag cars. Sorry for so many questions and incidentely, I'm pretty sure the vw T that was built by hot rod mag is in the uk now, possibly being restored |
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Post by draggon on Oct 23, 2016 11:15:17 GMT -5
DKP Ron Fleming are credited with starting the California Look which does have similarities to traditional rods and customs. We've discussed VW's here at times, and as I remember it, the answer was no, not for TRaK. Technically, yes, they have the components and the style, but they're not what we do here. I think the original cut-off date on the forum was 65, but later got opened up to 69. Nope, none except the ChevWagen and perhaps the wheelstander. I don't think we do wheelstanders here though. The EMPI Inch Pincher is a pretty famous gas class car that got its start in the mid 60's. No one has brought that up. But the ? was more on Volks Rods.  |
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Post by spex84 on Oct 23, 2016 12:24:27 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2016 16:11:16 GMT -5
Thank you for clarifying this. It helps me also to understand. Some great racers.
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Post by skip on Nov 11, 2016 2:03:56 GMT -5
According to my understanding of what's TRaKable and what's not, the examples posted by Glen and Chris all of those would or should be TRaK friendly. Probably the latest is the four original Volksrods, which are iffy because Rod & Custom didn't begin running articles on them until '69 or '70 (I'll have to dig those magazines up). However, I believe that the first Volksrod created by Dragster Chassis builder Kent Fuller,was created prior to 1969, so they might just be under the wire (Andy Brizio's came later, and was almost and exact copy of Fuller's Volksrod before Kent Fuller decided to market the Volksrod). DKP or "Cal Look" Type I Street Volkswagens didn't come around until after 1969, more like 1971 - 1973, this again was a result of NHRA's phasing the Gas Class Cars out. Pretty much a Volkswagen "Street Freak" which a lot of the DKP cars were, many were slightly detuned race cars living on the streets of Orange County, Cal. 1969 Era Bugs were running flared fenders and as much rubber as they could stuff under them, mostly bolt on engine modifications. If I remember right, Dune Buggies & Hot VW's didn't run the first Cal Look issue until 1975 or 1976, the Cal Look was a couple years old around that time, lots of people outside of Southern California, who already had Bugs built them after seeing that issue. Myself included '57 Oval Window 2180 cc Dual 48's, which was my daily driver high school car, versus close to race car '65 GTO. The later "Volksrod" concept I think you are referring to, was shown in a Hot VW's article in the 90's, which their formula was a Type I Bug minus all four fenders, adapt an Early Ford dropped I-Beam front axle. Again, the Volksrod was another dodge around vintage Ford tin getting expensive, Vdubs weren't then. The first one I remember seeing built and in Hot VW's had Kelsey Hayes bent spoke wire wheels. Early examples of the Volksrod which I believe was sort of a spin-off of the early rat rod movement featured lots of body slicing and dicing especially the European versions (Sweden and Germany). Engines first off were not so performance orientated. As the Volksrods caught on the engine performance caught up, again this was mostly a cheap entry into a rat rod kinda car trying to pass itself off as a Hot Rod. Don't get me wrong if a Volksrod is built right with emphasis on being safe and drivable then they can be OK. a Hope this helps, I was around and involved in the VW scene from 1969 until around 1983 when a lot of this was happening. My older brother got his first Bug around '67 ('61 Rag Top) which he an I learned to wrench on, (something was always breaking). Bugs were popular even with the Hot Rodders then. |
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Post by jbwelda on Nov 27, 2016 22:23:13 GMT -5
I am new here, having only joined today, and I am trying to sort out in my mind what is and is not acceptable here, as well as exactly how strictly those rules are applied. When I saw this forum I thought it would be helpful in guiding me, and I see this thread which pertains to something specific I was wondering, the appropriateness of say Volkswagens if they are kustomized or hot-rodded in some trad manner that might have been done back in the day, pre 1970 as I understand it. So my question would be whether something like this 1950 Hebmuller variant on the traditional bug would be welcome? This particular model I have kustomized to some extent using more or less materials from pre-70s, like the 1965 Porsche 356 wheels and tires, early sixties dual carbs on single port manifolds, etc and so in my mind it is a traditional kustom, though certainly not in some people minds. Any guidance would be appreciated, and feel free to delete the photos if necessary.   jb |
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Post by ChrisV on Nov 28, 2016 18:01:30 GMT -5
First of all: Welcome William Second: I'm sorry - Though your Hebmuller is composed of parts, that were in fact available back in the day, the overall styling has a contemporary vibe, that makes unsuitable for this forum. It's not just a matter of whether it could (theoretically) have been built, but whether it corresponds with styling of the custom cars and rods that were in fact built during the era (thus the term "Traditional"). Having said that, it's a very nicely built model, and I would like to encourage you to post it at our "sister-forum": link. |
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