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Post by motorcitysmitty on Aug 26, 2010 18:12:18 GMT -5
Would the new Munsters set be TRaK-able ? Chris
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2010 14:23:45 GMT -5
I don't see why not...definately custom rods in any sense of the word and they fit the period but then I don't call the call the shots around here. BTW I totally dig the Dragula and plan on getting a few of these kits when they're available.
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Post by Koolkat on Aug 27, 2010 14:39:43 GMT -5
I'd guess it depends upon if Bob thinks they're the cartoon style show rods, or if they are modified to represent something like the Beverly Hillbillies car made into a hot rod. That doesn't mean we don't like them - just they may or may not be a 'fit'.
Bob? (Glad I'm not in your shoes).
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Post by RodBurNeR on Aug 27, 2010 14:44:25 GMT -5
I like them, but the thing is....if they are shown here, we will have fights about other "show rods" not allowed. I don't want a big debate over it. Boothill Express is even cool in my opinion....but I never envisioned it being a subject we see here. Maybe....we should have a "discussion" over this and make some ammendments to the guidelines? If nobody else has a problem with that, then it doesn't bother me. We already allow some show rods here, but the "themed" stuff has never been allowed. Should there be a list of show rods allowed which have a theme? I mean....if they are pre 1970 of course. In my opinion, if you guys think they are ok to post here....I feel they should be shown as they were intended. For example, I don't really want to see a Munster Koach painted metallic blue? I am all ears.
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Post by Koolkat on Aug 27, 2010 15:44:53 GMT -5
I would absolutely be for any that are 1965 or earlier. 1966 and later is when they started no longer being cars, and being household objects and furniture with an automotive chassis and running gear. Later, they became caricatures of cars only intended to draw people in to the indoor car shows. I realize that a lot of people grew up with the later show cars, like Tom Daniels designs, but to an old codger, it's not traditional. To younger people, perhaps it would fit their idea of traditional or at least nostalgic. A year cutoff of manufacture of the model makes the most sense to me, regardless of the type of car, instead of this one's ok, that one's not. Too much splitting of hairs and trying to bend rules otherwise? There's Coffin Corner forum (I'm a member) which LOVES show rods of any type, including non show rod stuff. Also, many other forums which permit any type of car/model. I hate to go to a half dozen different internet forums and see the SAME models posted on every one of them, and have to wade through a bunch of other stuff at that. It does none of the forums any good. That's one of the reasons I love TRAK. Traditional. Just my opinion.....
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Post by RodBurNeR on Aug 27, 2010 16:09:06 GMT -5
Good points and I agree on the cut off. There are already some show rods that I pointed out awhile back that are TRaKable. Some of them aren't even considered show rods by most people, but they are listed as such by the gurus of www.showrods.com They list the Blue Beetle, Black Widow and many others as "show rods". So I guess they are? When was the Munster Koach made? I know it was in black and white tv. I watched it a lot when I was little as re-runs. I remember episodes of drag racing with the koach and grandpas dragula. Let's do this folks..... Let's make a list of TRaKable show rods, feel free to add to the list. I like the 1965 cut off, so anything made in 1965 or earlier for show rods....let's see the list! I will start here with some that I can think of. Blue Beetle Black Widow Orange Hauler Orange Crate '58 Thunderbird w/bubbletop Ala Kart Beatnik Bandit (first one only) XR-6 Experimental Roadster Wild Dream and King T Green Hornet
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Post by motorcitysmitty on Aug 27, 2010 16:36:54 GMT -5
Thanks for the replys, That's why I asked......Just got my Munsters set and planed on building them soon, trying to have them done before holloween, that's really cool to take opinions on the subject , Wikipedia says the Munsters were filmed between Sept. 24, 1964 to May 12, 1966. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_MunstersI remember Lilly bought two cars from a used car lot, an old hearse and a T-bucket, then had the used car dealer....make the Munster Koach as a present for Herman. Grampa built Drag-u-la to win back the Munster Koach after Herman lost it in a drag race. My point is both cars were real-driveable vehicles-probably built in 64 or 65 (if the show ended in May 66 ) -they were both built by George Barris. I didn't see them on Bobs list and respect your dicision either way-Chris
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Post by RodBurNeR on Aug 27, 2010 16:48:21 GMT -5
I didn't put them on my list because I was unsure of when they were built. I knew it was Barris and that they are 60's for sure.
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Post by motorcitysmitty on Aug 27, 2010 18:42:54 GMT -5
Hey Bob, I'm not trying to push my luck-but according to this site "Koach Specs" in said the Munster Koach was built in 1964 and Granpas Drag-u-la was built in 1965 for the episode called "Hot Rod Herman" www.munsterkoach.com/specs.htm-Chris
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Post by ChrisV on Aug 27, 2010 19:08:10 GMT -5
While the Munsters duo includes a lot of nice TRaK'able parts, I personally feel that they're a bit "artsy" for my taste - As Bob mentions, it might become increasingly hard to draw the line between the crazy and cool early sixties' showrods and George Barris' craptastic motorized household furniture...
Some other Monogram Showrods I would consider TRaK'able are:
L'il Coffin, Predicta and possibly the "Orange Krate"/"Lemon Krate"/"Ultra Truck" (A bubble-topped mid-sixties Chevy Pickup)
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Post by Koolkat on Aug 27, 2010 20:09:21 GMT -5
By the way, my earlier post saying 1965 included throughout that year. Bob, I just looked at the list of showrods at Coffin Corner. There are hundreds listed! I thought about going through each of them to list them and to give my opinion, but finally decided that was really silly. Just my opinion, but I suggest saying 'show rods' up to 1965 year of original manufacture issue is ok. I can't think of any earlier than that too far out. Those kits were mostly popular in that time when new? Anything 1966-69 you could decide on a case by case basis? There's a lot of 66-69 show rods that I don't care for 'as is out of the box', such as the Tijuana Taxi..BUT they had a TJ buildoff over there at Coffin Corner, and somebody built a real kool hot rod out of one! While I wouldn't consider the original kit TRAKable (I don't recall when it was issued), the hot rod made out of one of them I felt would be. Just my free opinion....worth what you are paying for it... With THAT said --- what about factory type prototype 'dream cars' such as the Club de Mer or Futura? Or a scratchbuilt one that was never modeled? I love those old dream cars from the fifties...they weren't production, and most were custom made. Are they stock? Well, not really... Got an opinion on that? That's one I've thought about... Or, perhaps you/we/I are splitting hairs, making up a long list of ones that may never even get submitted? Perhaps you might ask instead which specific ones somebody may want to build? If something isn't posted here, you can bet it'll be posted somewhere else? If I wanted to build a factory dream car 41 Buick Y Job, I'd build it even if it wouldn't be 'TRAKable'. I'd say listen to any suggestions as you are doing, and I think the answer(s) will come to you. Again, free advice is worth what you pay for it?
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Post by RodBurNeR on Aug 27, 2010 20:11:12 GMT -5
Chris obviously understands what I meant.
Don't worry, I am not going to get ugly-er just because you asking lol This is a good question! Considering the time you mentioned 64-65, I don't personally have a problem with it. On the other hand, it would have to be a mutual agreement among the greater half of votes to make a decision on this.
How about if everyone would keep adding stuff they think is "TRaKable" show rod" material, and we can have a good poll?
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Post by RodBurNeR on Aug 27, 2010 20:16:35 GMT -5
By the way, my earlier post saying 1965 included throughout that year. Bob, I just looked at the list of showrods at Coffin Corner. There are hundreds listed! I thought about going through each of them to list them and to give my opinion, but finally decided that was really silly. Just my opinion, but I suggest saying 'show rods' up to 1965 year of original manufacture issue is ok. I can't think of any earlier than that too far out. Those kits were mostly popular in that time when new? Anything 1966-69 you could decide on a case by case basis? There's a lot of 66-69 show rods that I don't care for 'as is out of the box', such as the Tijuana Taxi..BUT they had a TJ buildoff over there at Coffin Corner, and somebody built a real kool hot rod out of one! While I wouldn't consider the original kit TRAKable (I don't recall when it was issued), the hot rod made out of one of them I felt would be. Just my free opinion....worth what you are paying for it... With THAT said --- what about factory type prototype 'dream cars' such as the Club de Mer or Futura? Or a scratchbuilt one that was never modeled? I love those old dream cars from the fifties...they weren't production, and most were custom made. Are they stock? Well, not really... Got an opinion on that? That's one I've thought about... Or, perhaps you/we/I are splitting hairs, making up a long list of ones that may never even get submitted? Perhaps you might ask instead which specific ones somebody may want to build? If something isn't posted here, you can bet it'll be posted somewhere else? If I wanted to build a factory dream car 41 Buick Y Job, I'd build it even if it wouldn't be 'TRAKable'. I'd say listen to any suggestions as you are doing, and I think the answer(s) will come to you. Again, free advice is worth what you pay for it? Those in red , I would not have a problem with either. In fact when thinking of "some" of those concept cars, it seems ridiculous to not include those? I mean, it's factory customizing experimental isn't it? Just because it's factory customizing....doesn't mean it's "factory stock" imho.....I mean those cars were only made on time, not mass production. What say you'z? I want to keep it real guys....and honestly, what we do certainly included some show rodding back in them days. Just not the silly stuff. I know some of you are reading this and don't want to say anything yet.....but don't be that way.....let's hear some ideas!
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Post by Murphy on Aug 27, 2010 22:13:31 GMT -5
If we could establish some sort of guidelines for "Showrods" it would give ,for example, a home for a car like my bastard "Misfit", I have always admired earlier era (think angelhair) showcars, cars that were somewhat over the top, but yet well thought out and executed, and could be driven by a normal sized human being. So, what I'm suggesting is that there may possibly be some room for showcars, but I do agree, the guidelines would have to be somewhat strict. Even a car like "King Creole" (which I consider a work of art!) would to me, be more at home under a showcar heading. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by davkin on Aug 27, 2010 23:23:04 GMT -5
My personal opinion is pretty simple. If it's of the era then it's traditional. I'm no real fan of the theme rods myself, (even though that's what drew me to the indoor shows as a yungin') but if they were built in the time period then I think they belong. Now, if we want to make a pre '65 cutoff for show rods I honestly wouldn't mind seeing that implemented for all subjects to keep it simple, besides, post '65 just seems to be a whole different world to me.
David
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